is ferry morse seeds owned by monsanto?

:-). For example, RH Shumway, Roots and Rhizomes, McClure and Zimmerman, TotallyTomato, and Vermont Bean are owned by JW Jung Seed. Especially, that you take offense that I said you misquoted me. Pupilla - Im surprised, that you have taken offense at my last post. Burpee was never owned by Monsanto, but sold its west coast operations which changed hands and were eventually bought by Monsanto. 0000535956 00000 n . The real unfortunate part of it is that disagreements between well meaning people like us add to the confusion of someone trying to learn more. I have not read it all because I am not able to delve too much into it at this point in time. I think we can both persue our understanding of GMO issues separately and perhaps, in the future we can stick to discussing which tomato tastes the best. I'm responsible for what I understand and what I choose. Thanks for bringing them to my attention. "Tomato Growers Supply Company is a family-owned small specialty seed company founded in 1984 by Vince and Linda Sapp. I had already said the same thing in an earlier post, but did not use the word, misquoted and you had no problem with that. Ferry-Morse has been a trusted seed brand since 1856. If this is true, how did that happen? Here is a quote of what I said --, You seem to still want to believe that GMO seed may not be such a bad thing. Many of our brands were founded in the mid-1800's and have been trusted by generations. [8] A merger made sense for both companies, and in 1930 they combined to form the Ferry-Morse Company. Repeat the same flaws?' [4], By the early 1900s, the company was doing over $2,000,000 per year in business, and supplying seeds to 160,000 retail outlets. That burns me up, because this tomato is a pretty good one, just like Big Beef and Better Boy are good conventional products for the home garden. Are they protecting us? Conventional breeding methods that have become so efficient that the little guy doesn't have the resources to keep up is what concerns me most. Once that I buy only conventionally bred seeds, and prefer only conventionally bred vegetables and fruits and GMOs concern me but this is a case by case problem. I don't know that I agree with your position. :). It is also false to say non-GM cotton is not available in India. Can we distinguish between, what you said --- that I originally said that getting the word out produced a better understanding. As consumers, we have to bear the brunt of the responsibility for that. ;-), I appreciate that you see some value in it. And I'm transferring the burden of 'fact checking' to others? They are a Coop and have taken a strong position on this subject. I would like a list of seed companies that Monsanto owns so I can avoid them. Ive asked you a few questions which you have ignored. I havent got the time to do an expose on Monsanto. Between 1996 and 2007, Monsanto, the largest supplier of genetically engineered (or GMO) seed traits,2 acquired more than a dozen smaller companies,3 and it now controls 60 percent of corn and 62.5 percent of soy-bean seeds and seed trait licenses in the United States.4 I share my experiences about organic growing. If any of that information is inaccurate, maybe someone on this thread can point out what it is. I haven't bought a herbicide or insecticide. I am not a fan of Monsanto's practices or the other big agri-chem companies. Back in the early 1980s, there was only a 'seed' of the organic movement. Thank you for the link to Seed Alliance, that was encouraging. Anyone have any information about that? With one fell swoop in 2005, Monsanto grabbed approximately 40% of the US vegetable seed market with its acquisition of Seminis. Certainly enough to raise concern for anyone willing to consider it and have a starting point to better understand it. You already said it is an emotional issue for you and you think it is 1000% wrong. I expect the same good faith from you.. The 1906 earthquake demolished the firm's facilities, but they quickly moved to temporary space in San Francisco, and the company bought out Cox Seed and Plant. I would like to see the world get away from this kind of development. I was happy with that purchase too. Ferry-Morse is a company that specializes in supplying seeds. I always support local agriculture! Here is a link to an article about it on the Huffington Post, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leslie-hassler/bitter-seeds-documentary_b_2155970.html. Ferry Morse Seeds & Spores - Walmart I imagine there are many people who have stock funds that they don't even know have these stocks in them. Companies are bought and sold every day in the seed business, and the corporate owners usually have nothing to do with the good people working at them who are hard working employees, many who like gardening and natural living, like me. Thats a pretty negative view of people who you dont agree with. Everyone on the thread was made aware that it was inaccurate, everyone agreed that it was and that we are on our own as far as learning which seed companies are owned by Monsanto and which are not. Morse & Co.[8][9] Charles Copeland Morse died abruptly in 1900, and his son Lester Morse took over the business. If they include links to the proof, then I'll believe it. There is a link to a pdf on his site that shows the graphics a little more clearly. A movie (or someone else) comes up with some terrible conspiracy theory sort of plot. If you want to avoid using GMO seeds, here is a list of seed companies owned by Monsanto. I feel all comments among us should be assumed to be in good faith without having to win favor in "the benefit of the doubt", as this shouldn't be a political forum. Gardner & Company[2] (also known as Gardner, Ferry, and Church) in Detroit, Michigan. You said it is an emotional issue and I respect that, but it doesn't give anyone the right to say hurtful things like not thinking what you say is important after coming this far. We boycott all gene-altering companies." they also are connected with an heirloom gardening magazine. 5.0 out of 5 stars . And I find it hard to believe that you are not fully aware that you are doing that. Really good article, I learned a few things. I do own my words and own my entire prior post, and your reply re-enforces that we are very far from each others' interpretation of events around us. They shipped them the next day and I got them three days from when I ordered them. They genetically modify seed. I framed it in an appeal to dire consequences? Go back and look at the first three comments made in 2015. Ferry-Morse. 5 Non-GMO Seed Companies to Plant in Your Monsanto-Free Garden [g] Not always easy to get what is in your head clearly down on the page. Didn't know someone was trying to track the government officials who are making policy that allows Monsanto to continue along. It goes against my core beliefs. And what did you mean by 'carefully'? Ferry bought land in California to grow crops for seed. And once again - there is the old 'debate theories and rules,' that you have decided apply to our conversation. I don't want to loose those tomatoes, but I can see some people that think losing them would be a victory (against what? The Seed Savers Exchange (SSE) is a non-profit organization working to save heirloom garden seeds from extinction. And you are complaining that I am disrespectful? That coincided with my first efforts to begin gardening and their organic, 'love the earth' approach was like a life line. No, I've read everything including all links. You have used it a a major component of two posts. It is currently part of Green Garden Products, a privately owned gardening company based in Massachusetts. Since their main activity and goals are to create GMO seed and not to produce conventionally hybridized seed, then it is not unreasonable to consider that they have plans to use the seeds of those companies to genetically modify them. I think you should support seed companies that you can trust, that are working hard to keep seeds GMO free in the future and who work with people they can trust. --, That is an example of what I understand a label to mean. [3] Its profits continued to be stable until 1865, when Ferry bought out Gardner's share and took over the company. I use $0.50 worth of seeds each year from it. Very early in this thread, that problem was addressed and resolved. They are intended only to understand why farmers in India use Bt cotton. Native Seeds/S.E.A.R.C.H. Id like to see individuals participate more in creating businesses that are all about community and supporting the environment. Dr. Thomson was forever proud of his Worlds Fair Gold Medal in Science and Industry awarded to SUPERthrive in 1940. I dont object to the casual substitution of debate for discussion, but you have made enough comments throughout this thread to indicate that you meant an official debate, as in using debate theory and rules and in doing so, you elevated what should have been a friendly discussion to something more adversarial. The Ferry-Morse Seed Company is a supplier of seeds, and was at one time the largest such company in the world. At this point in time, I do not have the time and did so reluctantly because I felt obligated to respond to your 2015 post addressed directly to me. And OMGosh - where oh where did I ever at any point in this entire thread bring religious beliefs into the conversation? Worse then Phillip-Morris, which in addition to selling tobacco, has been cited for child labor? Would never use a lawn service and have explained the problems of them to my neighbor who did and doesn't any more. And more detailed explanations about what you meant and what you think. Only if you are trying to convince them of something. I did not misquote you. We feel a deep sense of pride and responsibility to carry on the tradition of these brands by delivering high quality products including OMRI listed Organic plant food and 100% Non-GMO seeds. What we . Im not an expert on Monsanto. McKenzie Seeds - Wikipedia You're right, kilngod, someone should have researched before they put them on the list. [11], In 2005, Groupe Limagrain sold Ferry-Morse to Jiffy International. The genetic engineering of human insulin was actually the first patent awarded in the field in the 1980's. 0000022414 00000 n It also gives a list of seed companies that are not. Molanic, I just finished reading that article in Mother Earth News. What a person intends and what they end up doing are not always the same. [3] At the same time, the Detroit Seed Company was absorbed into the new corporation. 0000019942 00000 n In other words, you want GMO seeds and plants to go forward and evaluate it after the fact? After the material costs, Monsanto get about $0.02 per year from me and it probably costs them $0.03. Burpee seeds is not owned by Monsanto but has admitted to "buying a small number of seeds" from Seminis. And you are free to say whatever you want, but I have an opinion of what you had to say and have honestly shared it with you, as much for your benefit as for anything else. Does Ferry-Morse have a catalog? The first year the company did $6,000 in business. You entered the conversation challenging the idea of boycotting GMO seeds. It is from the Jan 2015 issue and talks about sourcing high quality seeds. What people seem to neglect in the conversation, is there is another side to the issue of genetic engineering.First, some things I will agree on: The overuse of herbicides and pesticides in agriculture and the GE of crops to resist the harmful side effects is cause for concern. The 10 Best Seed Companies for Heirloom and Non-GMO Seeds Where you don't trust Monsanto Dupont, Syngenta, Bayer, BASF and Dow, etc. It is possible that some companies are not eager to advertise what they own. Add to Cart. That being said, I will admit that GE crops are faaaaaaaar from impervious to these same kinds of disasters. A leader and innovator in the gardening industry since 1896, McKenzie Seeds offers unsurpassed quality and deep commitment to the customer. Prior to his work, tomatoes were considered ornamental rather than edible! Yes, your original objection about the link that was inaccurate, was an early part of the topic being discussed. I responded with a simple report on the seed companies I enjoy using that I have confidence do not carry GMO seeds. I gave you a link to what I thought an realistic assessment on it from National Geographic, too where some concerns are mentioned. Your interpretation of another comment is again, not quite accurate. We do purchase a small number of seeds from the garden seed . Pupilla - you seem to clearly be of a divided mind here. (all are Big ag GMO producers). Really, using B/Hollywood or wherever it was made a "reliable" source of information scares me about your concept of reliability. Livingston bred and released 35 tomato varieties, creating the cultural preference for one of todays most beloved vegetables. Oh dear, I just bought from Tomato Growers! 0000492812 00000 n Add to Cart. And I wonder if anyone has thought of trying to convince shareholders to stop supporting Big Agriculture? As to me labeling you, no, absolutely not. 0000510116 00000 n Our History. Please be respectful of my time. D.M. Ferry Seed Company - Nursery and Seed Catalogs - Research Guides 0000033228 00000 n Ed, do you see the green sentence at the bottom of the thread, to click on to switch off notifications? I have been buying most of my seed from FEDCO the last few years. Multiple smaller, non high tech companies that are manageable by individuals and an asset to their communities. That property is bordered by Second and Third Avenues on the east and west and by Burroughs and Amsterdam Avenues on the north and south, the city's northern limit at that time. http://planet.infowars.com/uncategorized/seed-companies-owned-by-monsanto. Nobody of the big guys is going to tell you which seeds they buy from their competitors, and by definition if you buy a variety you can research it's entire pedigree. We are off-topic of avoiding GMO seeds (since all home garden seeds are GMO-free, even those from big bad Monsanto). It is a free country and they can do that. There are so many, many tomato seeds in the world there has to be enough for everyone, that we can do without a couple, if it means gaining something more valuable. Our intention was to be the best source possible for gardeners wanting to grow tomatoes from seed. It is sort of intended as an "open source", freely distributed GMO introduction going on in Florida right now. If home gardening seed is a small portion of the seed they sell, then targeting commercial seed sales seems to be the way to go. Pupilla - That's fine. It even shows up innocently on GW here, except misquoting the quarter of a million figure total as a quarter of a million people per year :-( You are not pleased with me for "picking apart", even though you request fact checking on your link. If you cant have Better Boy and Early Girl, without Monsanto and their biotech efforts, Ill willingly give up their varieties. The business was merged into Plantation Products, a privately owned gardening company based in Massachusetts. . This link gives an explanation of their position on Monsanto and GMO seeds: http://www.fedcoseeds.com/seeds/monsanto.htm. Monsanto and the other companies you mention, are basically in the biotech field. When you say, you would vote with your dollars for products like Roundup and Miracle Gro, and you are angry that a Monsanto product is not available to you, what I hear you saying, is that you are on board as far as seeing the ill effects of inorganic methods of gardening, but youre not really against genetically modified seeds. If you want to be sure of what you are buying, buy by variety, not by brand. Citrus Browning disease to me is not a philosophical worry, it is an economic, cultural, and very real problem today that may force me to make a decision on a particular instance of a particular GMO. After the ovule has ripened, seeds are the product. I think that is the best way to influence others to try organic growing and get to the point where a company like Syngenta has no market. Once of the great things about capitalism is that we can vote with our buying patterns. McKenzie products are available in over 4,500 garden centers, independents and major retailers across Canada. 0000002615 00000 n But Monsanto and Bayer had a history back to the 1950s, in a joint venture called Mobay . One of them I am confused by, and in the other one you say, I'll address first, starting with your quotes which relate to similar questions about me and my issues: " Are these smaller seed companies you are concerned for, owned by Monsanto? I see the natural world, and I see the effect that humans have had on it, when they assume that they know enough to tamper with it. They used a popular buzzword and didn't bother to do the most superficial fact-checking. And here is where I corrected what you said the first time. I can hear that you are torn, but I am not having that problem at all. Argument: an oral disagreement; verbal opposition. Is there actually a big difference between someone being torn and being undecided? Some seed companies try to keep their (conventional) breeding programs going and this is hard because of all the high tech involved in today's breeding. If Monsanto buys the mortgage to a house you live in one day, I wouldn't hold it against you and I would still respect any of my friends, because I like my friends and I don't have to like who owns the house they sleep and breed in :-). Also, this isn't meant as an attack on anyone here or their opinions. Vegetables Seeds - Ferry-Morse Home Gardening | Since 1856 No you dont see Monsanto rescuing us but yet, you are hoping that the GMO potential solution will. You could take them to the cleaners for such a misrepresentation: "FAQ: Are the home garden seeds genetically modified (GM)? Again, thread was how to avoid planting GMO seeds. Also the list is also, "or sells small percentages of seed from them.". McKenzie Seeds is a seed packaging company founded in Brandon, Manitoba in 1896. All rights reserved. I have to agree with PC's comment from May 10th which says: "I disagree that a better understanding of 'an issue' is gotten by simply'getting the word out' with such low quality, false and misleadinginformation with an agenda behind it described above as fear-mongering.". I addressed this in this post already. And to report something that is fearful, is 'using fear as a weapon'? I am not looking for an argument and wish you well. [And now about you]. I remember in a Facebook gardening group about a year, maybe a year and a half ago, a conversation came up about GMO's, Monsanto, and Scotts/Miracle-Gro. [4] However, Ferry quickly re-organized the company, bought seeds from outside sources and absorbed two smaller seed companies, and the company managed to fill orders for its customers. American Seed offers high quality products with a goal of remaining affordable for consumers. African Daisy Mixed Colors Flower Seeds (Seed Packet) .22-Gram. We are both very detail minded, wanting precise meaning of words used, not enjoying being misunderstood triggering lengthy explanations. Atlee Burpee & Co. Burpee is NOT owned by Monsanto. I was reminded that 10 giant chemical and pharmaceutical companies now own 80% of the world's commercial seed. Again, I am worried that the consolidation will cause the loss of many varieties, and I think the original post calling for a boycott will only accelerate that since the home garden market is negligible. A 200' pier ran out into Lake Charlevoix. Today Livingston is the number one supplier of top-quality, 100% Non-GMO seeds for independent businesses. The question means, that based on all the preceding explanation I gave of the difficulty I was having with the conversation, why would I want to continue it? I disagree, that only when you are trying to convince someone of something, do you need to win their favor. In the 1950s a resourceful gardener from Norway invented the Jiffypot, a biodegradable planting pot made from compressed peat that can be transplanted with the plant. ***If any company you like is on the list, research their ownership yourself.***. And is that the only such story about the effects of Monsanto and their seeds and the biotech seed field? 0000493049 00000 n If you call and ask, I can imagine you could get the run around. And with their history of trying to influence legislation, at some point, once they have a monopoly of owning seed companies, then what? And if it is a fact, that due to the way in which Monsanto was allowed to introduce GMO cotton seed in India, that there is now no non GMO seed available there, then how do we unring that bell? Not all "progress" is a good thing and we often dive headfirst into it without truly knowing the full ramifications. How about the film it links to, called Bitter Seeds which is a documentary about the impact of genetically modified cotton on Indias farmers and the suicide rate of over a quarter million Bt Cotton farmers each year due to financial stress resulting from massive crop failure and the price of Monsantos Bt seeds? Still any article or post or thread that criticizes GMO is a good thing to me, because it gets the word out. As for the GMO involved, yes, it is the leading potential solution and everyone will probably have equal and free access to it, including every other country around the world growing Citrus., You are splitting hairs. 0000001926 00000 n I'll have to look for them, to see if I can't expand the seed companies I do business with. And you are right, we're probably not putting a dent in their bottom line. I have Better Boy and Early Girl tomatoes in my garden, Monsanto varieties, and others in tomatoes really like Big Beef, another one of theirs all for the home garden market. That is the best way to find out who owns a company. Ferry-Morse also set the industry standards for seed quality including insisting upon seed freshness and testing germination rates. I completely agree with you, that we do dive headfirst into what is considered 'progress' and in the process we let go of what is very valuable and sometimes priceless then only in hindsight, do we acknowledge or understand what we've done. No problem. I dont know what you consider a good source of accurate information about Monsanto, but Ive quickly turned to Wikipedia for some. Perhaps because half of this thread is me, explaining and defending myself. If you object to my desire to boycott, then you require me to explain my reasons and in doing so, a GMO discussion ensues. And since I am anti-Monsanto I see no other way to interpret that, except that you consider me and anyone against what Monsanto does to be an anti-Monsanto preacher.]]]. The other thing you said *about* being misquoted is *false*, quoting what you say now: "PC misquoted me, I said people becoming aware of the issue of GMOs was a good thing.". I dont find this constructive at all, so Im sorry but Im going to end here. In fact, I was agreeing with you, after you had already said that. I will continue to grow my varieties no matter who makes them since any home garden variety I can buy is GMO-free so it is a no-brainer since I like the variety I should stick up for it because tomato seeds don't have a voice in this mess and they will be lost forever, and anyone boycotting home garden seeds that Monsanto bought will only contribute to the loss of these varieties since Monsanto is only a friend of its shareholders and with the stroke of a pen will stop producting these varieties and make them lost forever.

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